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October 26, 2002
PoliticsGive Peace a chance

protestToday's anti-war rally held at the U City Loop in St. Louis unfortunately lived down to my expectations. The demonstration was poorly organized, and instead of focusing on a possible war with Iraq, those participating spoke out against everything from the treatment of Native Americans in this country, slavery, to our friendship with China and it's policy with Tibet. Two of the speakers didn't even mention Iraq if I remember correctly.

protest2.jpgI was especially put off by one speaker who belongs to an organization that believes in using violence to meet the group's objectives, as long the violence "...didn't exceed the violence committed by the US". What was the group's objectives? Much of the talk had to do with neo-liberalism and overcoming imperialism, and he mentioned a whole list of countries and "freedom fighters", most of whom I've never heard of. He also spent a considerable amount of time talking about how to get on the group's listserver, but to use caution, they're being watched, and to connect from the library so the connection couldn't be traced (but you have to give your email address -- anyone else see a disconnect here?). No web sites with this group -- think I should send them an email, tell them about Blogger?

(I also found his interpretation of why the Vietnam war ended to be interesting. It was because the true freedom loving Vietnamese drove the evil transgressing US soldiers from their land.)

protestThe speakers that saved the day came at the end. In particular, a woman with a baby brought up what I considered to be valid points. That invading Iraq will most likely increase terrorism rather than decrease it. That we can't afford this fight. That we haven't been truly successful in Afghanistan, and will be less so in Iraq. That we have serious problems at home we should be focusing on. She was followed by another woman calling herself Queen Zinia, who talked about her grandkids and her worries for their future if we continue a campaign of aggression. Queen Zinia equated the US actions with the actions of a school yard bully, and that someday, even the smallest, weakest country is going to get tired of being pushed around, and will fight back.

Following the two women (who, in my opinion, stole the show) was a quiet, older black man who asked the audience if they remembered Vietnam. There were only a few of us who could nod. He then talked about how he has fought against war since that time, and he'll continue to fight against wars we can't hope to win. He talked about how he's tired of sending our people to other countries to die, and for no good reason. His quiet dignity spoke louder than all of the slogan filled hyperbole of most of the other speakers.

even the dog was unhappy(I wonder what he thought of the kid that advocated violence and celebrated all of those soldiers getting killed in Vietnam?)

The Green Party candidate, Daniel Romano was there, and talked about the debate last week, which he seemed to think he won. He was definitely more in place and outspoken in this venue, but as with so many of the other speakers, his focus was all over the board -- anti-imperialism, bombs in Afghanistan, divesture in Israel, down with all forms of capitalism, and so on. I am extremely curious, now, as to what other Green Party candidates are like.

What I particularly disliked about the rally is that I felt most of the speakers could really care less about the Iraqi people. Or the American people for that matter. Each was caught up in a cause. And while I believe that most people who attended the rally did so because they are genuinely concerned about the war, too many of the organizers had too many other agendas to push.

The issue of a war with Iraq was diffused and confused and ultimately lost.

I ended up coming away, cold and saddened. I expected at the very least a group hug to warm me, and all I got was hot air instead.


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Posted by Bb at October 26, 2002 05:11 PM


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I'm thankful that you can see and report the good and the bad. Saddly it's those numbskulls that flood opportunities like IndyMedia.

So many care about causes, so few about people.

Here goes a hug for ya {{{{Shelley}}}}

Posted by: Karl on October 26, 2002 10:19 PM

Shelley, we come from different sides of the spectrum on this issue. But... thank you! Very very good review.

My biggest criticism of these war protests is actually something that you brought up quite well. Namely, that in comparison to the Viet Nam protests, the protesters today seem to take a stand against any and all violence (yet hypocritcally use it to progress their cause) and never really directly address the core issues.

Does Bush have connections to oil interests that play into Iraq? Certainly. Is Bush _willing_ to have American soldiers die for this cause? Possibly. Does Bush _desire_ to have soldiers die? Not at all. Yet, many times protesters fail to make this distinction.

Like any human, I have my opinions. They are tough to change. I work at keeping an open mind, but when someone goes over a line.... either argues something obviously illogical, or becomes offensive (such as suggesting you can violently act on his non-violence political stance), or just doesn't stick to the point... well, I'm quick to noticce this and usually end up paying less attention to them.

You are quite right. This protest sounds like it was very unfocused.

But you are also right. Those 3 speakers stole the show. And that point the first one made about a consequence of a war being increased terrorism.... that's something I really need to think about. It's that kind of discourse that a change of mind can come from.

Posted by: DD on October 27, 2002 06:16 AM

A link you maybe interested in:

http://www.amconmag.com/10_21/iraq.html

It's an anti-war argument coming from the right. It's persuasive. Very.

Posted by: Karl on October 27, 2002 07:58 AM

DD, thanks for you comments. I'll have more later today. I'm afraid I'm in political mode now.

Karl, that document is a really good read. Extremely interesting. And also shows that so many of the issues today really do transcend political parties, and even political philosophies. Thanks for the link!

Posted by: Shelley aka Bb on October 27, 2002 10:06 AM

Thanks for your excellent report! You've described exactly why this old veteran of many a protest won't bother with the modern version. We'll know that the protests have come to mean something when they are met with police clubs and snarling dogs at the ready, together with hysterical, red-faced townfolk hurling invective and spittle at the participants. We were focused because draftees were coming home in body bags.

Posted by: Tom Shugart on October 27, 2002 11:02 PM


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