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October 30, 2002
TechnologyGoing Wireless

There has to be people out there with wireless experience, and I need advice.

I have a cable modem (Charter) on the ground floor and want to go wireless. I have two Windows laptops (running Windows and Linux) and a Powerbook that I need to connect. The machines need to work on the ground floor or upstairs (wood frame construction). The Powerbook already has Airport support, but I need to purchase wireless cards for the two Windows laptops (both Dell machines). We're also quite close to several electricity towers, which I am assuming will impact on signal.

Configuation: I am assuming that I would need to get a wireless router that connects to the cable modem, and then two PC wireless cards for the laptops. Does anyone have recommendations as to what to buy, or what I'll need to do to get this working on all the machines?

I could move my cable modem upstairs and avoid costs of going wireless -- there is a connection. However, the wiring is sub-standard and if the signal weakens I lose the connection (frequently). I don't think the apartment complex really wants walls torn up to replace wiring at this time. My office is upstairs and I need to have consistent internet connection.

I would really appreciate any and all suggestions on this.


Posted by Bb at October 30, 2002 12:12 PM


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Netgear is my personal choice. Love their stuff. Way easy to setup. Here's the link to their home products, http://www.netgear.com/products/wireless/80211b.asp?view=hm. I've got the access point and pc card at my house and installed the wireless router and usb adapters at my parents place. I get excellent coverage everywhere at home including out on the deck. Hope that helps. 8)

Posted by: sean on October 30, 2002 12:32 PM

Not necessarily a strong recommendation, but a personal opinion backed with experience....

I use a $200 Linksys wireless router / cable modem. Cards cost $100 apiece. I've never had any problems with it, once I got it to work (more on that in a minute.) Flash ROM firmware, regular upgrades, simple browser-based admin console.

I've only used it with Windows boxes, but I believe they support Linux & Mac also.

I had one problem upon installing the card. The default configuration used - I believe... I'm writing this from work - an 'automatic' form of authentication. I perused a forum and found out that Windows machines, where you run the Linksys install and not the Windows install, need to have this set to a specific setting. (Damn, now my age IS showing... I forgot which setting it was. Hey, it happened 15 months ago!)

Anyways, that brings me to my second recommendation. DSL Reports. They have fairly active forums, good reviews, and a Linksys technician actively participates also. I found out my problem in 10 minutes of browsing in this site.

Good luck!

Posted by: DD on October 30, 2002 12:38 PM

I've had nothing but wasted trouble with Linksys, but only with their ethernet stuff not their wireless stuff. Only wireless I've ever made use of is the Airport stuff, but the range isn't quite what other wireless equipment manages to achieve.

My wired Netgear router is the shiznit. After two weeks fighting with my wired Linksys router, the Netgear was up and running in five minutes.

Of course, I have no idea how this does or does not translate over into wireless products. For me, the Linksys issue became: Any company that has to strike exclusivity deals with retailers, barring them from offering any products other than theirs, must have a reason (read: shitty product) for doing so. And that's Linksys.

Posted by: The One True b!X on October 30, 2002 02:21 PM

My WAP's a Linksys, and I had a Linksys PCMCIA card in my old laptop, but I assume that the Linksys and Netgear cards are both Orinoco chipsets. My new laptop has 802.11 built in (yay big antennas alongside the screen!).

The latest incarnations of the various wireless access points have a NAT router built in; this would be a detriment for me as the wireless gateway in the garage, where the NAT router is, doesn't get a solid signal to the other side of the house, performance is slow enough that with that span I'd have trouble using remoted X apps. Luckily I've got enough application for wired ethernet throughout the house that I just dropped the access point in the middle of the house and get fine coverage everywhere.

The only downside of my WAP box is that it requires a Windows box to configure it as it doesn't have much of its own notion of TCP/IP address and I haven't bothered to try to puzzle out SNMP enough to configure it that way. Presumably something with a NAT router built in could just use a web browser to configure it.

My overall experience with wireless has been that it mostly just works. This is even more amazing when I bring my Linux laptop into a Starbucks and the T-Mobile link comes up without trouble; us Linux folks are used to having to at least dig through an obscure config file and download a funky driver to interoperate with Microsoft biased networks.

Posted by: Dan Lyke on October 30, 2002 02:22 PM

Hey Bb,
I just set up my wireless network yesterday. I have a Linksys 4 port router (wired) and a Belkin WAP. My setup includes the "wired" router, since I originally had a wired network, until yesterday. The nice thing about the WAP is that it gets it's IP from the router and is ready to rock. It works great with my iBook. One small problem with Belkin is that there is no browser access to configure the router (as is the case with the Linksys), so one must use Belkins config software, which runs only on Windows. I think a wireless router would more than take care of your needs, but it may be worth looking into a wired router and a WAP, as the price may come out lower. I saw my Belkin WAP at one of the office stores on sale for $70. Not a bad deal. Anyway, I'm by no means a networking expert, so if anyone notices any errors in my recommendation, please hollar.

Posted by: Ryan on October 30, 2002 05:45 PM

I forgot to include (not sure that it matters much) that I have a cable modem feeding the whole thing. Good luck, Bb.

Posted by: Ryan on October 30, 2002 05:55 PM

Buy this router and plug it into your cable modem: http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=415

The router will act as a single Internet client to the outside world and will provide DHCP and NAT services to your network.

Buy a wireless PCMCIA card for each of your laptops: http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=427

Upgrade the router's firmware: ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/befw11s4v1-fw-1427.zip (must run from Windows, IIRC)

The PC cards will work under any modern Linux system (install pcmcia-cs package if necessary).

The PC cards will work under any version of Windows (comes with installer CD for drivers, then go to Settings/Control Panel/Network/Local Area Network connection/Properties/Configure Instant Wireless Card/Advanced and set Network Type to "Infrastructure").

The router will work with the Powerbook's Airport card without modification, IIRC.

There are also regular Ethernet ports on the back of the router if you have any non-wireless desktops that need to share the Internet connection.

Posted by: Mark on October 30, 2002 06:41 PM

Thanks very very much for suggestions and advice. Linksys and Netgear seem to have sewed up the industry between them, except for Ryan's Belkin WAP.

I kind of wish now that I had done this sooner. Ah, well -- better late than never.Time to go look at specs, compare prices, coax purchase out of worn out CC.

Thanks again, much.

(b!x, shiznit? That's a great sounding word.)

Posted by: Shelley on October 30, 2002 08:00 PM

I set up a linksys network on wintel platforms several months ago. The only drawback i ran into was that it wasn't obvious how to get the MS peer to peer networking running at the same time as I had WAN connectivity from all the PCs. Since the WAN connectivity was what I was aiming for I just skipped the other part, but I sure am interested in how the LAN and the WAN can function together.

Posted by: Frank on October 31, 2002 03:38 PM


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