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June 28, 2002
ConnectingOlder, Taller, Richer, Wiser

My divorce has been final for over a year, which means I feel that it's now "safe" for me to consider dating again. And as much as I think my weblogging male friends are the most wonderful, sexiest, interesting people in the world, I don't want to snuggle up to a warm monitor on a Saturday night.

Dating again - this is something I haven't done since I was in my 20's, and I'm not sure what's changed since then and now. What are the rules today? Do women ask men out? Who pays? Is the first date too soon for...

...holding hands?

(What did you think I'd say, you nasty minded folk.)

Years ago it was all so much less complicated - women simply followed the older, taller, richer, and wiser rule.

Men are Older

If you're in a heterosexual relationship, who's the older - the woman or man? Chances are very good that the man is the older, a trend that transcends cultures.

Back in olden times, the rule of the man being older than the woman made sense; after all, women tended to die younger due to childbirth and attendant complications. Additionally, men were considered unstable when they were younger, and women wanted a man who had "sown the oats" - was ready to settle down and be a good provider, father, and mate.

However, today, women have more control over childbirth and statistically have a longer lifespan than men. In addition, women come into their peak sexually at an older age, men at a younger age.

So, based on these considerations, should I be dating a younger man? Or should I continue with the tried but true older man? How about a man exactly my age?

(Scratch the last one - limiting myself to men who are exactly my age is going to decrease the available selection rather harshly, and being a woman in my 40's already makes me more likely to be hit by a meteor than to meet someone more intelligent than an amoeba.)

I'm not interested in dating men who are ready to retire to the rocking chair; however, the thought of dating someone much younger leaves me cold. What's a fair age difference today - plus or minus ten years? Twenty? Should I just be happy that they're still breathing?

Of course once the issue of age is resolved, next comes...

Men are Taller

As far back as recorded history, men have historically been taller than women - at least within western civilization. Genectic selectivity most likely ensured this as women looked for men who are physically capable of protecting them as well as performing the manual toil necessary to support them.

Of course, as with the issue of age, men being taller - or stronger - than a woman is no longer the necessity it once was. Who needs protection through a man when one has a warm gun, to quote the Beatles. Still, old habits die hard.

Now, height isn't necessarily as much of an issue as age because the average height of a woman is 5'8" tall, the average height of a man is 5'10". However, this is changing. Over the last two generations the average height for men has remained relatively stable while women's has been increasing. The Age of the Amazon is upon us.

Of course, with me, the Age of the Amazon is already here - I'm 5'11" tall. In other words, I'm taller than the average guy. (Please, no jokes such as, "How's the rain up there" - I've been known to spit on people and say "Not bad. How is it down there?")

Rather than lurking about professional Basketball player locker rooms, I decided to do away with the "man must be taller" years ago. Just too many interesting guys who were shorter than me. Of course, the gentleman in question must also be beyond worries and considerations of being shorter than the woman - I wonder if this is more likely than me being hit by a meteor?

Men are Richer

When I was younger, the thing among us young babes was to marry a "successful" young man someday, have 2 kids, station wagon, dogs, the whole bit. Then we got older, and a hell of a lot smarter, but the image of "marrying success" still seems to linger here and there in and amidst different cultures.

The necessity of marrying well is very understandable when you consider that in the US, as with most countries, women were restricted in regards to profession as well as ownership of property. For the most part, women worked as teachers, maids, or prostitutes. Additionally, women were considered property of father, brother, or husband. If a woman had wealth through her father, it became the property of her husband when they married, or was managed by a male relative if the woman was single.

The best a woman could hope for was marrying a man who didn't beat her, who could support her and the children, and didn't screw around in front of her.

As the song says, the times they are a changing. Now both men and women look to marry well so that they can have twin BMWs parked in the driveway to impress the neighbors.

For myself, I'd rather date a man who's interesting and fun to talk to than one who's rich. And I'm more than willing to pay my own way on a date - as long as the guy assures me that we won't be hit by a meteor while we're out and about.

Men are Wiser

Discussing the classic work, The Tale of Genji, Jonathon writes:

    Genji's friend To-no-Chujo tells of a lover who bore him a daughter but who, ironically, lost his affection through being too meek and accommodating. The ideal woman, they conclude, "does not try to display her scanty knowledge in full," nor does she "scribble off Chinese characters," rather she shows taste and restraint and is prepared to "feign a little ignorance."

A thousand years later, and not a lot has changed - the concept of dumbing down in order to attract guys was far too common when I was in school; the fact that women are disportionately under-represented in the hard sciences today leads me to believe that this nasty little rule still lurks about.

Frankly, I'd rather curl up against a warm monitor for the rest of my life than to dumb down to attract a guy. End of story on this one.

So...

Since the reliable older, taller, richer, and wiser rule just doesn't work for me, I guess I'll have to settle for dating people because of who they are rather than what category they fall into. It may not be as simple, but at least it promises not to be boring.

Of course, I could always get hit by a meteor, first.


Posted by Bb at June 28, 2002 12:01 AM




Comments

As someone who got divorced in her 30s and spent the next twenty-something years dating, let me assure if you are open to meeting new men, you'll find them. You've heard me praise ballroom dancing before -- it's a great place to meet guys, it's great exercise, and you wind up having a social place to go and have fun. Take some lessons to start. Arthur Murray and Fred Astaire studios are expensive, but their introductory lessons are ususally very cheap (that's when they try to hook you for the whole package). Go to one or two of their introductory group lessons and ask the people there if they recommend any "free-agent" dance instructors. They're always much cheaper and they're often better.

I'll be honest -- I have thoroughly enjoyed my non-married single years. I've had a series of relationships, which were great for as long as they lasted. And we always parted as friends. I've never been interested in marrying again, but if you are, you'll find someone. And don't discount younger guys. They tend to be much more egalitarian. Go for it, girl.

Posted by: Elaine on June 27, 2002 07:36 PM

When I went through the same thing a few years ago, I had a few set of rules for dating again:
1) no kids (satisfied this one)
2) plus or minus 5 years (satisifed - I'm too polite to be more specific, though)
3) tall - I was thinking 6'1"+ since I'm 6'4" (whoops - missed here - Maureen is 5'6" or so)
4) lived nearby (missed again - it was a 9 hour drive)

I'm terribly glad I didn't really have a rigid set of "qualifications". There are no rules.

If he turns out to be older, taller, and richer, so be it. I'd be leery of the wiser ones, though ;)

Posted by: Bill Simoni on June 27, 2002 07:45 PM

Jesus, Shelley. Now I don't even want to date anymore. And I mean, sheesh, my monitor's cute and all, but 19" is a little much, even for me.

Posted by: Shannon on June 27, 2002 08:59 PM

A single man in his forties, I like the idea of a women asking a man out, it is flattering, and all too seldom. The caveat, which can make sitting in front of a warm monitor attractive, is the possibility of rejection. I wouldn't worry about the age/height/wealth/wiser stuff, I've seen too many sucessful improbable couples, and more than a few unsuccessful probable ones.

Posted by: Michael Webb on June 27, 2002 09:04 PM

I'd say stick with your generation. I'm a two time loser and in both cases my wife was 14 to 16 years younger. The age gap was just too large. As for wealth, well just consider that unless he inherited the money or made it in business and then retired, he will be working 14 hours or so a day and often 6 or 7 days a week. How much time will he have for you?

All you can do is look at and accept the person for who they are and if you click, all the better.

Posted by: The Dynamic Driveler on June 27, 2002 09:28 PM

Baby steps, baby steps. You can always join one of those dating shows on television.

Posted by: mare on June 28, 2002 01:19 AM

I can see it now "Up next on UPN: DateBlog! Watch intellectuals with a penchant for obscure references and inside jokes comment on each others [date | technique | blog tool choice]!" Hmmm, maybe that's why UPN routinely gets it's ass kicked by public access in the ratings....

Anyway, I'd say that's quite a post. It's an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a soft tortilla topped with guacmole. Yes, I am on painkillers in preperation for my root canal in an hour, can you tell?

In all seriousness (or as close as I get), there are a lot of men out there, some of whom have two brain cells to rub together. I'd worry less about age/income/height differences and thikn about intellectual/emotional compatability. Take your time, play the field, and most important of all have fun! And don't sell yourself short, you don't need to settle for less than you deserve.

Posted by: rev_matt on June 28, 2002 04:07 AM

Best advice I ever got -- from a male friend -- as I asked similar questions a few years ago: "Let him pick you."

Posted by: Sheila Lennon on June 28, 2002 06:52 AM

Rules hardly ever apply to all situations so I think I would largely go by what you said in the end - chuck the rules, go with your heart! I'm sure you'll find it an interesting experience as Elaine says. I am almost tempted to try it myself, if not for the fact that I'm still married ;)

Posted by: Anita on June 28, 2002 08:20 AM

mine is younger, taller, poorer *could that be???* and wiser ... it was the wiser that snagged me, though he insists that I'm the smart one. I would never want to date again ... I had plenty of that when I was younger, before I got married. Since I've been divorced, I'm safely 'taken' by my long-distance love. Doesn't stop Mom from giving me 'Rules' books, though. Grr...

follow your heart.

Posted by: shar aka sharon o aka me on June 28, 2002 05:20 PM


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